Changing margins/ automatically moving things

[R***@adobeforums.com]

Hi (my dear expert friends!),

I have a problem in the final stages before printing. The page width of my book is currently set at 230mm, and the printers want me to reduce the page width to 215mm (so that it fits on SRA3 paper). The outer magin is currently 18mm and inner margin 25mm. I have tried altering the page size in Document setup however, rather than taking off an equal amount of distance from both sides of the page, the 15mm is taken off just the outerside of the page, which leaves the book with no outer margin at all. Is there an automatic way to take an equal amount off from both sides? Or can things authomatically be shifted over? (Often there are about fifty plus items/ links on a page!!). I know about manually using the "select all" button, but this (when I use it) selects the items on two pages at once (which is no good, since I need to move the items on the left page, right; and the items on the right page, left). I am dispairing. Please help!

Many thanks, Rachel

[unknown]

Layout > Layout Adjustment > Enable Layout Adjustment.

It may or may not work depending upon how well you used guides and the
margins.

Bob

[P***@adobeforums.com]

And remember that making the columns narrower is almost certain to make the book run to more pages, so you'll have to check for overset text at the end of each story and add pages as necessary.

Peter

[R***@adobeforums.com]

Is it possible to "select all" items [ under "Edit"] only on any one particular page? At the moment, when I press this buttom, ALL the items on both facing pages are selected, and I cannot therefore move all the items on one page independantly of another page.

(I cannot use the layout adjustment since I have not always kept guidelines etc. in place)

Thank you, and I'd be so grateful for a solution to this problem.

Rachel

[unknown]

The best thing I can offer is to advise you to create a new document
with the proper dimensions and then place your current InDesign document it.

Set up a master graphic frame and set its fitting options to fill frame
proportionally.

That should get you pretty much where you need to be in a hurry.

Bob

[P***@adobeforums.com]

That's going to scale things vertically and horizontally, rather than simply reduce the width of the page and adjust positioning, perhaps not what Rachel wants to do.

To select everything on a single page use the selection tool to drag a marquis around/through the content, being sure not to touch anything on the other side of the spread.

[P***@adobeforums.com]

That should get you pretty much where you need to be in a hurry.




But you can't do any repositioning in the new doc. If it isn't exactly what you want, you need to go back and edit the original.

[unknown]

Indeed, but she seems to be in a big hurry and if she starts messing
with a finished doc I'm guessing it's going to wind up looking worse
than simply scaling everything.

But, I've been wrong before.

Bob

[R***@adobeforums.com]

Thanks for your swift help. You're right, Peter, I'm not sure I want to scale things, but I may experiment and use a combination.I didn't know (after all this time!) that the direct selection tool could mark a marquis around things, to limit the items that are selected. That is a revelation to me and so useful!)

Bob, you said "Set up a master graphics frame". Does this mean that, in the new document, I go to "Master page A" then drag out a picture frame. I tried this then went to the "Fitting, fill frame proportionally box", but it wasn't highlighted...Sorry for my ignorance. Also, would I then loose all my original master pages? Sorry but please could you talk me through which button to press!I presume that when I set up the new document, I simply open a new window/tile, and select, drag and drop my old document into the new?

I'll experiment with both the ways mentioned.

Forever thankful for your help and support.

Rachel

[P***@adobeforums.com]

STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!

DO NOT USE THE DIRECT SELECT TOOL. It will select only the points on objects that are marqueed, leaving other points on those objects unselected, and they won't move, giving you really bizarre and unexpected results. Use the selection tool (Black arrow).

Peter

[P***@adobeforums.com]

Sorry. Bit of a panic there.

For safety's sake, if you plan to rearrange things, do it on a copy of the book, please.

As for the second half of your last post, yes, you should be able to add an image frame to the master page (created at the new, correct size) and select that frame, then select the frame filling options. I'd experiment with making the frame a bit larger than the page so that you will have slightly smaller margins all around than on the original, but less scaling than if you make the frame the same size as the page.

Peter

[unknown]

Yes, but that's after the fact scaling. By setting the fitting the
preference BEFORE placing the image comes in properly.

Bob

[R***@adobeforums.com]

Will do... Thank you for your concern, and feeling panic for my sake (I'm glad if I can share out my panic!).I feel honoured that Adobe experts care enough to help and sympathise with worries of ignorant people.

:-)

[R***@adobeforums.com]

P.S. "Pictires" was a typo (I meant pictures)

[unknown]

Are you using CS3? If not, it's not available.

If you are, just right click the empty graphics frame and choose fitting.

Bob

[R***@adobeforums.com]

The frame filling options don't appear to work (i.e. be highlighted) unless something/ an image is placed inside them? How to I prearrange the "fill frame proportionally" option (on a master page) BEFORE I drop the old document in.Does it work for text etc. and not just pictires. Sorry, I'm a bit confused.

Rachel

[P***@adobeforums.com]

Are you sure you created an image frame, and not a text frame?

[R***@adobeforums.com]

My version is CS2

Rachel

[R***@adobeforums.com]

Right clicking on a image frame in CS2 does not produce a "fitting" option. I usually go to the bar at the top ("object, fitting option etc.")

Rachel

[R***@adobeforums.com]

If I choose the option of scaling things down (selecting, using the marquis), some text shoots out of boxes and they go blank (i.e. with a red cross to the side). This option therefore doesn't seem to reduce the size of text?

Rachel
(P.S. I used the selection tool, rather than the direct selection, as recommended)

[R***@adobeforums.com]

... Is this option therefore not possible for me? (i.e. arranging "fit frame proportionally" before the old document is placed)

Rachel

[unknown]

You can't even place the old document. That too is a CS3 feature.

Bob

[unknown]

If it wasn't such a rush I'd suggest getting someone to script this.

Bob

[R***@adobeforums.com]

P.P.S
Peter, I was definately using an imgage frame (7th or 8th botton down the tool bar) and not a text frame.

[R***@adobeforums.com]

I've started using Peter's method and am slowly plodding through each individual page (in my 296 book with many thousands of links and items...) selecting whole pages with a marquis and shifting them over using the "X" and "Y" buttons. But why is it that if I try to reduce, sometimes text shoots out of boxes?

Rachel

[P***@adobeforums.com]

Sorry I had to leave the discussion last night. While you can't place an ID file, you can place a PDF and scale that, but I'm not sure if that's going to be any help at this point.