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Problem: Gradient Banding
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B***@adobeforums.com
2006-10-27 15:41:03 UTC
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Hi,

All my InDesign documents that have gradients are now displaying banding. The printer is new... Xerox DocuColor 250. Is there something I can do in my InDesign settings to correct this problem or is this a printer problem?

Thank you
Barb
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2006-10-27 15:44:13 UTC
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Did they print okay to your old printer?

Have you set everything up properly in the printer software?

Bob
B***@adobeforums.com
2006-10-27 16:33:17 UTC
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Yes, all the documents printed great to our old printer. Maybe, that's where my problem is, printer software... can you advise me what I should be addressing?

Thanks
Barb
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2006-10-27 16:41:23 UTC
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I'm not familiar with that printer enough to comment on the choices, but
I would certainly be looking for some type of print quality settings.

Bob
B***@adobeforums.com
2006-10-27 18:04:56 UTC
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I will look into that, thanks for your feedback

Barb
P***@adobeforums.com
2006-10-27 19:23:23 UTC
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Xerox customer support should be able to offer you some guidance with this, too. Are you printing at the maximum resolution of the printer?

Peter
B***@adobeforums.com
2006-10-30 22:33:24 UTC
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Yes, I am printing at the maximum resolution of the printer, however, I notice the banding on the monitor which indicates it may be a InDesign setting? Your thoughts?

Thanks
Barb
P***@adobeforums.com
2006-10-30 22:48:15 UTC
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You just sparked my memory. There was a post about this a couple of months ago. Some sort of difference in how the gradients are rendered in CS2 vs CS, and I don't recall the conclusion, but search for "banding" and gradient, and I'm sure it will pop up. I'd find the thread for you, but I'm buried at the moment.

Peter
P***@adobeforums.com
2006-10-31 00:09:02 UTC
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Here's the link I was thinking of:

<http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?128@@.3bbf1f72>

but it doesn't seem to be entirely the same thing. It looks like in this case it was a display problem related to color depth.

Are you sending graphic data as "all" rather than subsampled? Does it print the same from a PDF (again, being sure you send all data)?

Peter
B***@adobeforums.com
2006-11-02 17:41:20 UTC
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We just set up our old printer, which we cannot use unless for emergencies (cost). Okay, here is what has happened: I printed the same document to the new printer and to the old printer. The monitor displays the banding, the new printer (which we have to use) prints the banding, and on the old printer the gradient looks great.

Peter, I went to the link and read the issues. The discussion was more importing gradients to a upgraded version of ID.

I also checked my desktop, and it is set up at 32 bit.

In the print settings there is a Image smoothing option, I've tried both on and off, still get the banding.

Is there any color settings in ID I should be addressing or is this a printer issue.

Your thoughts are appreciated as I have a large print job coming up and not trusting that when the job is ripped, the banding will still appear.

Thanks,
Barb
P***@adobeforums.com
2006-11-02 19:43:21 UTC
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Barb,

Presuming you took the advice to be sure that send image data is set to all in the graphics tab of the print dialog, I think the issue may be with the RIP, although it is a bit troubling that the banding is being displayed with 32-bit color.

Someone, I believe it was Gerald, has posted a number of times about how some RIPs treat vector and raster data differently which can result in color shifts during transparency flattening. I think the same thing may be at play withthe banding. How are the gradients produced? have you considered, if it is possible, creating them as images in Photoshop?

Perhaps this, from the help files, is useful, too:

Improving gradients and color blends in print
PostScript Level 2 and PostScript 3 output devices can print up to 256 shades of gray, and most PostScript desktop laser printers are capable of printing approximately 32 to 64 shades, depending on the device resolution, specified screen frequency, and halftoning method. Banding occurs when each available shade covers an area large enough for you to see individual shades. Also, if you specify a gradient using two percentage values that differ by less than 50%, you’re specifying a narrow range of shades that’s more likely to result in banding. If you have difficulty printing smooth gradients without banding, try these techniques:
Use a gradient that changes at least 50% between two or more process color components.
Specify lighter colors, or shorten the length of dark gradients. Banding is most likely to occur between very dark colors and white.
Increase the percentage of change in the gradient.
Decrease the screen frequency for the document (PostScript output devices only).
If banding occurs in an imported graphic, such as an Adobe Illustrator file, you might need to adjust the original graphic.
Print to a PostScript 3 output device, which is capable of producing smoother gradients.
Use shorter gradients. The optimum length depends on the colors in the gradient, but try to keep gradients shorter than 7.5 inches.

Peter
B***@adobeforums.com
2006-11-03 00:12:54 UTC
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Thank you very much for all your feedback, I will follow through with all that you advised and let you know how I make out.

Barb
P***@adobeforums.com
2006-11-06 18:43:22 UTC
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It's been a long time since I had to deal with this issue, but it used to come up frequently in the early '90's. Using various blur options on the areas that caused the problems would often fix the matter, as it forced the print algorythm to deal with a mix of shades. Also, converting the image to stochasic dithering worked usually, as best I recall.
B***@adobeforums.com
2006-11-14 15:18:05 UTC
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Hi Phil, is there anyway you can blur or convert the image to stochasic dithering in ID?

Thanks
Barb

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